Kayak and Fishing Forum banner
1 - 20 of 67 Posts

·
Registered
Joined
·
9,364 Posts
Discussion Starter · #1 ·
theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com
theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
9,364 Posts
Discussion Starter · #2 ·
theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com
theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com
theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com
theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com
theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.comtheyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
9,364 Posts
Discussion Starter · #3 ·
theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com theyakshed.com
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
4,221 Posts
I prefer a breaking knife/blade. The curved blade facilitates continuous cutting as you change the angle (parallel to the edge) of the knife.

 

·
Registered
Joined
·
3,393 Posts
Brad did the pro say why the stiff blade was better for tuna? I've seen a few videos on YouTube and noticed the preference. Then again I've only ever used the flexibility of my filleting knives to press the blade flat to the table when skinning. I use a Martini by the way and find it great.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
4,221 Posts
I don't know if that was rhetorical or not.

The scimitar was for illustration, but most of the pros here that regularly fillet school to 100lb tuna and various kings while under way, use Forschner breaking knives. You can have an even, continuous slice through the stroke with the curved tip of a breaking knife.

I really like filleting fish. Each fish has its technique and tricks.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
3,393 Posts
I miss barramundi. They're like a Fisher Price "My first filleting fish". Big strong bones that guide your knife around the fillets and skin so tough you couldn't stuff up the skinning with a chainsaw. Mackerel drive me nuts, particularly with skinning, I either leave masses of skin on or sacrifice flesh.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
3,393 Posts
I have always used a diamond steel for my cook's knives (wusthof and global) and it puts a good edge on the filleter but I find the flexibility and curve of the blade makes it difficult to maintain a consistent angle. Therefore I'll get some sections of the edge super sharp but others not so much. I think a pull-through sharpener might be the answer:
image.jpg
 

Attachments

·
Registered
Joined
·
643 Posts
I Always use the finnish Marttiini knives… impeccable!

http://www.marttiini.fi/epages/Marttiin ... s/Kalastus

You can get some pretty decent ones at reasonable prices if you shop around.

For sharpening I use the japanese wet stone, something like a 1000/6000 split. 5 minutes on one of these and you can literally shave with it… that's my check for 'useability'
Must admit, there is a technique to using these, but nothing youtube and a few practice rounds can't show you.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
2,743 Posts
There was a particularly good thread on here about kitchen knives a while back and I learned a thing or two from it's pages, some of it might be relevant to the sharpening side of the discussion http://akff.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=51937&hilit=kitchen+knives

I use an F Dick 6 inch boning knife and a Swibo 20cm butchers knife.
Boning knife.jpg

20cm knife.jpg


Both are flexible, but the 20cm job flexes lots less. I use a traditional steel to add an edge when required but both knives are now at a point where a proper honing is required and will be sent to a knife sharpener in the coming days.

The Dick is a much tougher composition compared to the Swibo, as in the Swibo feels soft on the steel and you can actually feel it cutting an edge on the blade, where as the Dick takes a lot more work, but also will last longer on tougher fish with bigger scales and stronger bones.

One word of warning in regards to the V type knife sharpeners, if for some reason you end up with a dent in your blade the V sharpener will only increase it's depth not cut it out. To get rid of this you need to have your knife honed over a wheel or stone. It is easy to put a dent in a very sharp blade on tough fish such as larger snapper as their rib bones are tough and all you need to do is twist your blade a fraction when it is embedded in the bone to put a chip in it, or better still have your wife chuck your razor sharp knives in the dishwasher with the rest of the cutlery and have it bang and crash about.....

Kev
 

Attachments

·
Registered
Joined
·
2,743 Posts
indiedog said:
Kev, what do you use each knife for? Did you get flexible because that's what everyone else has or because of the way you use it? I reckon that's butcher's knife would be better for all those longtails you catch. ;-)
Brad, I had the smaller flexible knife originally as that was what you needed apparently, it has served me well for years but as I got more interested in fishing offshore and actually catching a few better fish it became painfully apparent that it just wasn't going to do the job after a few disastrous butchering sessions. So I bought the bigger knife to suit what I felt I needed from a knife, not through any external tuition. It really is a different animal and behaves so differently to the little bloke, but more often than not I find myself using both knives during the course of a session.

I like the smaller more flexible blade for skinning and knocking out bones, the big fella does the bulk of the butchering before I swap generally. As I said earlier the smaller blade on the F Dick seems to be of a very different composition and the F Dick will often be used on reef fish with tough scales and hard bones as I know I won't damage it. I would like a bigger knife with a broader blade with similar steel characteristics to the F Dick steel though, as the flex of the blade is not ideal at times as it is tough to get the solid 'heel' of the smaller blade into some of the rib bones on some fish. So I can see where you're coming from in regards to the comments re: a stiffer blade.

With the faster growing pelagic species the bones seem much softer and you can be slicing through them without noticing at times but the extra blade length is the key here as my filleting will consist of 4 basic cuts for these fish. The first across the body near the pectoral fin, then a cut along the length on the top of the fish nearly to the back bone, then along the length on the underside, the final cut will run from the tail to the head with the heel of the knife resting on the backbone. I picked up this method from a youtube clip and it works well for me with the tools I have at my disposal.

 

·
Registered
Joined
·
7 Posts
not just filleting skills - that knife is bloody sharp !!!!

and thats the key - a sharp knife ! Doesnt really matter too much what you use - as long as its sharp

for me - the flexible knives are used for skinning.
i use a normal knife for the main filleting / butchering

i use a straight edge - one continuous curve. Only for the fact that its easier for me to sharpen.
I used to have a knife like this with a curvy blade, and i just couldnt keep the whole edge sharp:


now i use one like this - cheap, basic and because i can keep it sharp it does the job fine
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
4,098 Posts
I have an SSAA hunting / fishing kinfe roll with (I think) Tramontina knives. I like to use the boning knife (6 1/4" extra wide) for most of the work and then the long, flexible knife (about 12" long) for skinning or running down the backbone of larger fish. I find the skinny standard filleting knives very hard to control and tend to lose a lot more flesh when using one. They are also hard to keep sharp up near the tip, which is where you need it sharp.
I use a steel to keep them sharp. If I needed to, I'd use a couple of stones to rehone them.
These are just the knives i have though, I'm sure there are better ones, I've never looked.

Edit : This is the boning knife i use http://www.kizlyarknifestore.com.au/ind ... cts_id=639
The long one is something like this http://www.tramontina.com/products/7403 ... lain-edge/
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
9,364 Posts
Discussion Starter · #14 ·
For sharpening I use a steel....smoother the better!

Once the angle of the edge has become too blunt, from continual sharpening on the steel, I then get a stone out and go to town, coarse stone first to take bulk amount of material away and then go to a finer one before finishing with a steel to be able to shave. If a knife can't shave hairs off my arm then it's not sharp.....generally none of my knives are sharp ;)
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
4,221 Posts
Re sharpening:
Ill spend a while each year to hone my knives. Ive got a tristone I use. I use asteel stick each usw the rest of the year. I dont get to use my fillet knife much so it stays pretty sharp stored in a block.

My dads got a diamond steel thats eliptical/eye shaped instead of round. That thing really takes off edge. If youre not careful its a quick way to round the edge.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,720 Posts

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,247 Posts
I visited Japan and as a memento bought a Deba.
image.jpg

It takes a bit of getting used to as it is about 5mm thick with a single bevel.
Sharpening it is similar to putting an edge on a wood chisel. I use a coarse and then a fine diamond plate and then Japanese whetstone to achieve a mirror polish. It can get crazy sharp and glides through tuna and kings.
It is however quite brittle on the edge and I once chipped it cleaning a drummer and spent a day resharpening it.
It takes work to look after but is a beautiful thing.
The link explains the various types of Japanese cooking knives, there is an amazing array of specialty knives.
http://www.kiya-hamono.co.jp/english/shurui.html
 

Attachments

·
Registered
Joined
·
4,221 Posts
indiedog said:
Zed said:
I really like filleting fish. Each fish has its technique and tricks.
I see a video assignment in your future Zed. Would love to see how you deal with a halibut. Maybe get your dad to catch one for you?? ;-)
Damn, the dog's got claws. May you be hexed by fish shorter than your knife.

Hali are easy. You make an H or an I. Cut right down the centerline feeling the spine, across at the tail and across at the gills. Fillet away from the center. Flip and repeat. 4 fillets and a frame you can see thru. You can take the cheeks out too, since they are delicious.

I find skinning is easy with the breaking blade, too. The knife stays nearly stationary, and the fillet gets sawed back and forth and pulled back away from the knife.

avayak, I've got a shobu too for sashimi/sushi. I like the single bevel. It's a good knife, but it also sits in the block a lot.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
4,098 Posts
Zed said:
I find skinning is easy with the breaking blade, too. The knife stays nearly stationary, and the fillet gets sawed back and forth and pulled back away from the knife.
Definately move the fillet and not the knife. I like to make a start, then cut a slit on the skin to provide grip and pull the skin.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
508 Posts
I use a 6 inch flexible swibo for filleting all my fish. I don't catch tuna tho mostly snapper and mullaway and use a 8 inch swibo knife for skinning. Find the 8 inch length better for skinning with its extra length and wide. Wondered how a curved blade would go always find the tip of my fillet knife goes blunt first
 
1 - 20 of 67 Posts
Top