[knot-too-fast]

Hello folks.
Sorry another cart question again :roll:
I need to get a cart into action soon before I do the back in, but was wondering if the scupper style cart with the two poles that slide up into the scupper holes could damage them over time?
I think the Hobies have this style of cart.

 

[Dodge]

John I personally don't like anything involving my scuppers, however the carts utiizing them as an attach point are very common, so give it a go if it makes life easier for you

 

[andybear]

I have considered that idea, but due to the fantastic weight of my yak when fully loaded, and some of the forces that may bear on the scuppers, I don't think its worth the risk. Could be very hard to repair if damaged.
I strap the yak directly to the cart, and it does fall off occasionally, but apart from red face syndrome, no harm is done

Cheers all Andybear :lol:

 

[kingfisher111]

Hi John, you`re right about the Hobies. They are pretty big on the scupper carts. Some models include a scupper cart as standard. I`m sure that if you launched down ramps all the time then you would never encounter a problem. My concern with them is when the going gets a bit rougher. One of my favorite launches involves dropping the Hobie over a bit of an embankment down onto the beach. Not too bad on the way down but a real worry how much pressure transfers to the scuppers on the way back up. Also a fully loaded rig can add a lot of extra weight to the situation.
I decided to make a strap on cart and have been using it ever since. I find it much easier to get under the kayak after coming in. With the scupper cart you have to just about roll the yak on it`s side to plug into the scuppers. Can be a real pain if the deck is loaded with gear. Steve.

 

[knot-too-fast]

Thanx guys for the input.
It seems like scupper style carts will be off my list now. I don't think there worth the risk of damage to the rear scuppers.
I will probably be finding some rough access points for launching like you Steve, so best have a ''strap on style'', err, um of kayak cart that is. :lol:

 

[Mattdogger]

John, I have the hobie cart that you are talking about. I too had concerns re strength and damage etc. I change the padding on the cross bar to a softer larger foam like roof rack paddling (indraflex) and also have put three layers of heat shrink around the poles that enter the scuppers as to stop steel vs plastic + it makes for a tighter fit. No probs so far, I would probably go for the other type if i was buying one, but as was mentioned I got this one with it and have made do. I've also seen one that had plastic conduit/plumbing pipe of the the right diameter adapted onto it to replace the steel poles. Hope this helps.

 

[RedPhoenix]

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[Hairy Little Dwarf]

I contacted Perception NZ when I was designing my cart as I had read all over the Net that "Never use the scuppers".

Perception NZ stated that "We use them all the time"

So I designed mine to slot into the scuppers and also supported in the groove between them.

Have carted the Yak fully loaded (albeit nervously the first time) with this and no ill-effects... your mileage may vary :wink:

Pics at
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[Mattdogger]

Matt, I vaguely remember someone saying that the hobies have specially strengthened scupper holes to cope with the carts - what do you reckon based on your beast?

Dunno Red, still learning heaps about yakking and developing a very keen interest in how they are built - Hairy's wooden beast is truly an inspiration.... one day...

Tell you what I will go down and take a picture of em now....

Ok that was harder than I thought but here's some shots of them. This first one is of the drain plugs under the seat ( fore ground and the trolley scuppers ( rear).

 

[Mattdogger]

This shot is of the top/ outside view. The hole is 30mm tapering to 25mm at bottom.

 

[Mattdogger]

This is the shot of the rear scupper up close. Couldn't get a good shot with a ruler but it seems that they are exactly the same size as the front ones....

 

[Mattdogger]

Finally here is the ruler on the scupper in front section....

Appears that it is about 45mm across. Therefore I reckon that the hole is supported by a thickness of about 10mm. Pretty tough i'd reckon.

Be great if you could let me know what other yaks have for support around the scups :?:

Hope that helps, had some time and was sick of bookwork! :wink:

 

[RedPhoenix]

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