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Ok so I'm not really a beginner, having been yak fishing for 7 months now, but I'm certainly new to the magical world of sailing a kayak. I just got the pacific action sail for my yak, and wonder if any of you have some tips for my first try with it on Saturday. I'll probably take it out on Lane Cove River or Narabeen Lakes. Somewhere I'm not likely to get into too much trouble. Any advice?

Thanks a million,
Robbie
 

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RobbieAUS said:
new to the magical world of sailing a kayak. I just got the pacific action sail for my yak,
PLease do let us know how you go Robbie, I was considering ordering the sail package for my Hobie. I look forward to reading about your exploits.
 

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Will be interested to see how you go at this. Maybe let me know when, if you are going to Narrabeen.

One of the biggest issues I have with my Tempo (this needs to be qualified as I have the double) is weather cocking. Without a dagger board (I presume you can't fit one to the Tempo) you will need a large rudder to be able to direct the yak when under sail. Otherwise the sail will just be a big sheet that will drag you across the water where it wants to go. Outriggers may be the answer here as they will give you both stability and direction. Still need a rudder, but of a normal size.

Of course, there is no problem if you only intend sailing downwind. You will just have to get the weight distribution right so that the sail doesn't drive the bow downwards.

This also makes me think that adding ballast overall will assist in the boat tracking through the water rather than being dragged across it, so reduce the requirements on the rudder. I would seriously consider taking a lot of ballast, given the capacity of the tempo, so that you have it as low in the water as feels safe. You might want to plug the scuppers in the cockpit or you will have a very wet ride.

BTW, these are just thoughts based on my knowledge of the tempo and basic physics. I've not tried any of this.
 

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He he he, Occy! I'll undoubtedly have a few people there with cameras to catch the memorable event. They all think I'm going in too! However, and maybe Peril can back me up here, I have confidence in the Tempo's stability, and I can always lean a little :) Seriously, thanks Peril for the physics outlook on it. I always enjoyed physics through school and uni as it just seemed to make sense. As do your suggestions. I'll let you all know how I go, but it will be downwind only for the moment. It seems my rudder got a little lost :(

Oh well, we'll see how it goes.

Thanks again,
Robbie
 

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I was considering ordering the sail package for my Hobie.
PM Jake, he has a sail equipped Outback, and probably has all your answers already
 

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Hi Robbie,

I have a sail on my expedition SIK and love it to bits. My hull is diferent to most SOTs in that it is long and slender with a shallow V hull. I find that I can point fairly high into the wind if I paddle as well.

Running across the wind or reaching is a blast. Most sea kayakers paddle and sail at the same time and the sail alone generally doesn't generate enough power to maintain good hull speed. What it does do though is take the hard work out of paddling long distances.

There is a bit of down wind, side drift but it is easy to overcome by pointing a bit higher than where you want to go.

Running down wind is just lovely. Sit back, have a beer and paddle if you feel like it :D

Here a couple of piccies of my set up.
 

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That still looks like a great setup Hairy.
 

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Thanks HairyMick, for the great look at your setup. I dont have a mast and boom setup like you do. The pacific action sail is based on the old polynesian style double mast sails. However, you can pull down the trailing mast when reaching to make it act more like a main. I'll be sure to let you know how it goes. I guess what appealed to me was:

1. Just sailing for fun with friends
2. Coming back in on an onshore breeze after a hard day chasing kingfish offshore.

The idea of kicking back and having a relaxing sail home after fishing all day just seems like heaven!

Thanks again guys, and can I just commend you all on how helpful you've made this site. I've just started posting again after a few posts late last year, and a big break. Now that I have the clothing I need to keep me warm, I'll be out at every opportunity, and I really owe you all a debt of gratitude for your sage-like advice. Looking forward to putting some faces to names.

See you on the water,
Robbie
 

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Well, I think I can safely say the Pacific Action sail works perfectly. I've had two proper sailing trips, one of which had some serious wind, the other was just a leisurely cruise. I hit Narrabeen lakes on Friday 4th August. The weather was crap, with plenty of rain and wind, and it was cold even by Irish standards. Downwind the Pacific Action sail managed about 9 kmh according to the GPS, and I could get about 4.5 - 5.0 kmh on a reach. Yesterday, I went outside the heads for the first time. After launching in Clontarf, I headed around (I think) Grotto point and paddled across the harbour and out through the heads. Couldn't find much structure, so came back in to South Head and had some fun with small snapper. Just as I thought it was time to head back in, I noticed the wind had changed to onshore, and I popped up the sail and had a leisurely sail home. Glorious way to spend an afternoon, and even with the sail furled, it doesn't get in the way, although, I am a little worried about getting caught in control lines should I capsize. Thats whey there's a shiny new dive knife hanging off my PFD. The rudder is a must by the way, no point in even trying to sail without it unless you're headed straight downwind. Hope this helps for those of you that are thinking about sailing.

P.S. I got it, and some other things from Blue Earth Kayaks in Drummoyne. Julie was telling me she was talking with KFDU to get their opinion on what Kayak Fishermen wanted her to stock. I told her I'd ask you guys too. If you haven't visited, I really recommend them. I'm not at all affiliated with them, just love excellent customer service, which is what they've given me every time.

See you on the water,
Robbie
 

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Wow! That does look quick! I wonder what she'd be like to fish from though :) Looks too nice to get guts and scales all over :)

See you on the water,
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i would say shes got a nice price tag too :?
About 4G i would say does anyone know for sure?
 

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Unfortunately, due to the change in ownership of this web site and the lack of response by the owners to my requests to remove my email address from all administrative-level notifications and functionality, I have decided to remove my posts on AKFF. Thank you for the great times, the fantastic learning experiences and the many many fish. If you are desperate for the old content of this particular post, it is available below base64 encoded and bzip2 compressed.

Red.

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Hey Red i rang someone who sell hobie when i was looking for a yak and i asked about that yak and thet told me a price wasnt set in stone yet, but the Hobie Adventure Island wasnt just a Hobie Adventure with a couple of kits added. She told me its a totally new yak all together.
I dont know if shes right but i figured she sells them she would know..................Maybe outerlimit can shed some light on this?
 

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Islander is a similar hull to Adventure but is built differently to take the outriggers (amas) and bigger furling sail. It does humm along. The standard Adventure under sail does too, especially with the optional daggerboard.
Islander price not available yet
 

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talking with KFDU to get their opinion on what Kayak Fishermen wanted her to stock. I told her I'd ask you guys too.
Well done :D I believe any retailer would benefit coming to AKFF (the originator) with our 480+ membership than going to KFDU (the immitator) with their 130 or so.

I'm not bitter... really, I'm not :x
 

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P.S. I got it, and some other things from Blue Earth Kayaks in Drummoyne. Julie was telling me she was talking with KFDU to get their opinion on what Kayak Fishermen wanted her to stock. I told her I'd ask you guys too.
I would want kayak retailers to stock the following:

* yaks suited to fishing (just making sure)
* range of standard items such as paddles and seats
* anchor systems
* paddle keepers
* paddle leashes
* rod leashes
* bits and pieces for DIY, eg D-loops, wellnuts, split-tail rivets
* crate systems (eg Crate Mate)
* insulated fishbags
* range of rod holders
 

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Well done :D I believe any retailer would benefit coming to AKFF (the originator) with our 480+ membership than going to KFDU (the immitator) with their 130 or so.

I'm not bitter... really, I'm not :x
Phil

Certainly no need for anguish...the cream will always rise to the top :wink:
 

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Thanks for that Dave. I've passed it on to Julie from Blue Earth. She seems to really be trying to create a "one stop shop" for us. She has asked if we would like a link to AKFF on their website. Happy to pop it up on their links page. Scott, Mods? What do you think?

Talk soon,
Robbie
 

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Hi Robbie, :D

I like it :D
 
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