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I have had some discomfort for awhile now with my right shoulder and just put it down to a old injury that seems to get irritated now and again but lately the pain has become almost unbearable,after some research I definitely have rotator cuff issue and will be booking a appointment today to see how severe it actually is ,so the question is has anyone else on the forum had a problem with there shoulder and if so what route did you take,I'm not keen for surgery and that's my last option (unless absolutely necessary)
The last couple of days has been so painfully when I wake up I literally have to lift my right arm with my left and support it against my body when moving around,it seems to decrease in pain as the day ticks by but still very unfortable.
Geeez I hope that's not the end of my yakking for awhile ,that would be my biggest disappointment .
Any info in the above would be appreciated maybe we have a sports physio or alike on the forum that may have some input
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Oh bugger!

It might get better, mine did, but it could take some time. I guess it depends how much damage you have. Good luck, and I hope it gets better soon.

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You have to correct your paddle stroke. Dont drag your shoulders back when paddling, twist. What paddle are you using? The only way you'll correct your stoke is with professional coaching.

I use an Osteopath who also does Acupuncture to repair the damage...he's magic.
 

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I don't know if that's the case Paul, Clive's stroke seems very fluent and he uses his core well. If you check out some of his vids you'll see this, I could be wrong though.

Good luck with it Clive, hope it all goes well for you.

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I did mine in loading PA onto roof.
Has now been 1 year and still drives me insane, especially trying to sleep :twisted:
Suggest physio to have it strapped which may help keeping all in correct position while it heals. Remember how it's done so you can re-do strapping.
It can be long term issue, I think :twisted:
Good luck.
 

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You have a problem common to regular fishos who catch wahoo and the like. We could expect Chris to join you soon. :)

Seriously, AWTY may be onto it, even though Kev suggests you have good technique. For you to be sure, why not engage Craig McSween to check you technique? He is a qualified instructor. If that is the root of the problem you need to fix that, as getting well as relief for the current symptoms. I would consider a physiotherapist for the latter.

Hope you firing again soon.
 

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Its a old injury for sure but has come back to haunt me ,lifting anything above my shoulder is impossible at the moment,Paddle technique i agree could use some work i suppose, but i have watched earlier vids against the last couple and even at DIP my shoulder was painful and have notice i dropped my paddle stroke much lower of late purely because it frikken pains to lift my arms higher but hey you do what you have to if you wanna go fishing ,i probably compounded the issue last Saturday going out in a shit easterly swell from Palmy with a few bombs coming through and really had to go like the clappers to get into safe water without warming up the sore shoulder first(ok so just gave myself a LEFT upper cut ) for not warming up so we wont harp on that.
Osteopath you reckon Paul ill look at anything at the moment. BigGee you correct as you still have to load /unload etc so peddling is no option and of course you don't get that itchy scratchy feeling and what would i do with all my Rashies?
Big Kev thanks mate and yip besides cutting my arm off ...............ill be back on the water ASAP to enjoy the trips and laughs that we enjoy so much and the banter of course ,im just waiting for Ol Salticrack to pop up with a winning quack off he's blue duck egg.
Thanks Trev i known that wont hurt to see Craig but its a old injury and not one that has been brought on by paddle technique(which again i do agree may need some tweeking) firstly i think i need to fix the problem shoulder before worrying about nitty grittys of technique .
 

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Worth finding out exactly what the injury is with scans etc.
I know a few swimmers that have had rotator cuff injuries, some have had surgery and are up and running (swimming) like new and others like my wife have not had surgery and has been slowly recovering over the last 18 months. I think she should have had the surgery.
It could be a tear, could be calcium build up (not sure on the term for that). I'd spend the time and $$$ finding out exactly what it is and then look at the alternatives.
 

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ditto on osteopath to investigating if it is a tear of the ligament...to muscular..no nerve..to a spicule of bone to arthritis wear...chinese pins just stab sensory nerves to stop pain......sacro-occipital chiro[best one in tenterfield,nsw] may help...physios are mechanics only....
 

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standard chiros will leave you facing your bum in a wheelchair

and some chinese pin doctors got their licence from a fortune cookie-good ones have 6-9 years university training
 

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Hey Safa

I've been sporting a similar, if not the same injury on and off for the last 6 years. The problem first surfaced whilst playing cricket, specifically bowling leg spin. I stopped bowling that way and pain went away for a period, but the damage appeared to have already been done (rotator cuff tendon is torn). Once the damage occurred, it crept into other sports, namely my volleyball which I've been playing competitively for about 15 years.

The initial band aid solution was scoffing down pain killers before, during and after competitions which is obviously not the smart option. I happened to be at a tournament about 2 years back where the father of one of my mates was down for the weekend and randomly asked if I had been having shoulder issues. He said he could tell because of the way my right shoulder seemed to be hanging lower than the left. He recommended strapping it to help support it better (the tape would serve the same function as the tendon, i.e. hold the shoulder up.). It obviously wouldn't fix the issue, but would go a ways to mitigating the pain while I played. I used this method for about a year. The extra support eventually led to a lengthy period of time without aggravating it to a point where I no longer needed the strapping tape.

Unfortunately I've recently aggravated it again, so back on the tape.

I strap my shoulder in a similar fashion to this, except that I have my arm stretched out whilst applying the tape rather than on a 45 degree angle.

http://www.physioadvisor.com.au/11855950/shoulder-taping-shoulder-strapping-physioadvis.htm

The options tend to be:
- Do nothing
- Rest it
- Strap it
- See a specialist (exercises/strengthening/acupuncture etc)
- Operation

On the operation front, I know fellow volleyballer who had reconstructive surgery last year. He didn't indicate how bad the injury was prior to surgery but said he was back playing within 2 months (he had good health cover, apparently it didn't hit his wallet all that bad). A good mate of mine is still contemplating surgery for a bad tear. The advice given to him was 1 year out of sport, but the shoulder will be back, stronger than ever.

Personally, that's too long for me to wait. The doctor I saw when my injury first surfaced (2007-2008) advised he wouldn't recommend surgery unless I was prepared to give up sport. I'd say surgical procedures have moved forward since then, however, I'm worried that if I fork out the cash to get the operation now, take a year off sport only to come back and I re-injure it, that's a lot of money down the drain that could be better wasted on fishing gear.
 

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Hi

I'm a fitness trainer and I did my shoulder in by getting my foot stuck and hitting the deck. I managed to grab my Oxy set trolley to break my fall but buggered my shoulder.

Loading a kayak puts a lot of strain on your shoulder joint and kayakers should do exercises that strengthen shoulder muscles.

Anyway probably you have Bursitis and it will take a lot of time to repair itself. I didn't go to a Doctor because I knew what it was and muscles repair themselves.

How I finally got over it, still less movement than the opposite shoulder tho' ie putting my hand up behind my back, was weight training. When exercising your damaged shoulder only move the weight (a dumbbell) within the range of motion that doesn't hurt. After a while (maybe a long time) the range of motion of your shoulder will slowly increase.

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Hey Safa

I've been sporting a similar, if not the same injury on and off for the last 6 years. The problem first surfaced whilst playing cricket, specifically bowling leg spin. I stopped bowling that way and pain went away for a period, but the damage appeared to have already been done (rotator cuff tendon is torn). Once the damage occurred, it crept into other sports, namely my volleyball which I've been playing competitively for about 15 years.

The initial band aid solution was scoffing down pain killers before, during and after competitions which is obviously not the smart option. I happened to be at a tournament about 2 years back where the father of one of my mates was down for the weekend and randomly asked if I had been having shoulder issues. He said he could tell because of the way my right shoulder seemed to be hanging lower than the left. He recommended strapping it to help support it better (the tape would serve the same function as the tendon, i.e. hold the shoulder up.). It obviously wouldn't fix the issue, but would go a ways to mitigating the pain while I played. I used this method for about a year. The extra support eventually led to a lengthy period of time without aggravating it to a point where I no longer needed the strapping tape.

Unfortunately I've recently aggravated it again, so back on the tape.

I strap my shoulder in a similar fashion to this, except that I have my arm stretched out whilst applying the tape rather than on a 45 degree angle.

http://www.physioadvisor.com.au/11855950/shoulder-taping-shoulder-strapping-physioadvis.htm

The options tend to be:
- Do nothing
- Rest it
- Strap it
- See a specialist (exercises/strengthening/acupuncture etc)
- Operation

On the operation front, I know fellow volleyballer who had reconstructive surgery last year. He didn't indicate how bad the injury was prior to surgery but said he was back playing within 2 months (he had good health cover, apparently it didn't hit his wallet all that bad). A good mate of mine is still contemplating surgery for a bad tear. The advice given to him was 1 year out of sport, but the shoulder will be back, stronger than ever.

Personally, that's too long for me to wait. The doctor I saw when my injury first surfaced (2007-2008) advised he wouldn't recommend surgery unless I was prepared to give up sport. I'd say surgical procedures have moved forward since then, however, I'm worried that if I fork out the cash to get the operation now, take a year off sport only to come back and I re-injure it, that's a lot of money down the drain that could be better wasted on fishing gear.
Thanks Bretto some sound advise and interesting reference Re: Strapping, ill keep you informed
 

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Worth finding out exactly what the injury is with scans etc.
I know a few swimmers that have had rotator cuff injuries, some have had surgery and are up and running (swimming) like new and others like my wife have not had surgery and has been slowly recovering over the last 18 months. I think she should have had the surgery.
It could be a tear, could be calcium build up (not sure on the term for that). I'd spend the time and $$$ finding out exactly what it is and then look at the alternatives.
Thanks Keza, ill be getting to route of the injury and taking it from there ,and yip thanks to guys relpying and staying on topic.
 

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I've had similar problems and understand how painful it can get. I never got a definitive diagnosis but was some sort of bursitus/tendonitus that got real severe as you describe. Slight problem exists which gets inflamed, inflammation means more impingement, more irritation and it is just a vicious cycle.

Key for me was strengthening the muscles in upper back to stabilise shoulder. Essentially a bunch of exercises that involve squeezing the shoulder blades together and keeping them flat. Then shoulder rotational exercises all whilst focusing on shoulder blade remaining flat and not flaring out.

This has to occur alongside concerted effort to get rid of inflammation. Combination of rest (maybe), anti-inflammatorys and regular icing. I would recommend icing twice daily and after every paddle at minimum. I have similar problem with one knee and have just got used to icing after any exercise likely to irritate the joints and myriad tendons/ligaments/cartilage. Just a symptom of getting old but it can be beaten if you learn about your body and your own strengths and weaknesses.

Will probably be a 6mth process but unavoidable if you want to keep enjoying an active lifestyle. I would recommend possibly seeing a osteo/physio/acupuncturist/massage therapist to help get rid of inflammation and possible related muscle tightness. Physio to help with some joint strengthening and stability exercises. Chemist for ibuprofen and multiple ice packs. Rub salti's belly for luck.
 

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I use to think I had the stroke right till an instructor got up me for not. You cant teach yourself, a good instructor will be able to help you. My shoulder will get sore if I dont do it right.

More importantly you need to get the injury seen to, dont just try to do it yourself or ignore it. You've got lots of options.

I'm actually off to my Osteo dude this arvo. My broken arm needs some attention, necks a bit tight, lower backs getting better but just needs some maintenance and my shoulder has been giving me some curry of late. I dont muck around now as soon as I have a persistent pain I get it seen to, cant afford to be not working. I've only recently come across Osteopaths and so far I'm very impressed, but they wont be for everyone.
 

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Sooo... you have a sore shoulder hey? Good advice here from the fellas for sure.

I smell a rat though, you see i think you have realized that you were damm lucky with that monster hoo. now you have sleepless nights worrying how you will top that effort. so as to protect your image and ego you have come up with this gippo plan.

I.E. " If I say i have a gammy shoulder, the fellas will feel sorry for me and will understand when I go chasing monster bream in the canals in a tricked up bream boat." This has been your real fishing dream ever since you donned a pink rashie.

No Clive my boy I aint falling for this crock of shit. My informants tell me you have pictures of the duck egg blue on your wall with great big targets drawn on them.
The door to this room has operation saltiruse on a nameplate.It is said that you have a contingency plan for the fateful day that i smash you records. But in my wildest dreams I did not think I would see this level of deception. :twisted:
so what you saying Salti is its time for me to hand over the pink rashie to a worthy recipient...............................um no sorry you don't qualify and besides i dont they have enough silk worms in China to make one to fit your Adonis of a body ;-)
 
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