Good stuff, Justcrusin32. Learning is all part of the fun. With rods behind ya, I found the drag on one of my reels was loud enough to hear but others wouldn't make a sound I could hear above the splashing and gurgling (and that is not me having a drink). Also, if I tilt my head back far enough to try and see the rod tip behind me, I get dizzy and nearly fall in. That's why I started putting the fishing rod forward.