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Hello,
I've been lurking here for some time, and along with the usual newbie praises i have for your members, i have found that it really is an amazing community you guys have here.

I have learnt much looking through posts and my interest has built enough momentum to the point of having me jumping up and down when i got the green light from wifey to make a griefless purchase. (it sure helped that she felt guilty for going to the ca$ino for a work function).

I have a canoe with 28lb kota and outriggers which i fish in middle harbour occasionally (im sure i've seen some of you guys out), being time poor keeps me off the water as well as this beast being a real mission to transport for one person, but i love fishing in a small quiet vessel.

My question is regarding a $400 ex-hire perception swing that the guy told me has been welded at the scuppers. I would like to go offshore after some practice, is this a good idea? I would imagine these things are pretty tough but i'm sure this one has taken a beating (will see it on tuesday). I don't care what it looks like as long as it functions well. Alternatively he has a 1.5yr OK Scupper pro (not sure if it has rear tank well) for $750. Any thoughts you guys have would be appreciated.

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Peter
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Hey Tuco,
I reckon both kayaks would be worth a look, but I've had no experience with welding, so maybe someone else could give you a better idea there. I've recently bought a scupper pro, the one without the rear well and it's awesome, I can see the advantage of the rear well, but the rear hatch gives you access to the entire deck from below, very handy when fitting rod holders etc, and also good for carrying gear. (go the scupper :p)
cheers, Karl.
 

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My question is regarding a $400 ex-hire perception swing that the guy told me has been welded at the scuppers. I would like to go offshore after some practice, is this a good idea? I would imagine these things are pretty tough but i'm sure this one has taken a beating (will see it on tuesday). I don't care what it looks like as long as it functions well. Alternatively he has a 1.5yr OK Scupper pro (not sure if it has rear tank well) for $750. Any thoughts you guys have would be appreciated.
Peter

Welcome to the forum.

I wouldn't be at all concerned about the welded swing if the rest of the boat suits you; I read of another swing welded in the scuppers [under warranty claim] and the Perception factory still gave a full warranty after the welding.

As welding bonds with the surrounding plastic there should be no worries, but if one did leak you could weld again or just plug the offending scupper with pool noodle to preclude water.

That scupper pro is worth a look also, so either boat could suit you, just be sure to paddle them before handing the dollars over.

Be interested to read the outcome after you look mate
 

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Hi Karl, Richo, thanks for your replies.

Karl after some research the scupper pro is probably my prefered option, as like you most users are very pleased with this yak and it should suit my needs. Im not sure why only a few members here have one though? I was concerned about the lack of tank well on another scupper pro im considering as i wanted to go with the esky rocket launcher setup. How have you got yours setup for accessing tackle and rods?

Richo your advice regarding the welding is reassuring. Noticed you have an espri too, they're well rated here and are well priced. Which one of your yaks do you find is the most enjoyable for fishing?

Jeez the more i think about this the more keen i am to get stuck into some yak fishing!

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See pics of my scupper here
http://www.akff.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4462
I only carry two rods, so rocket launcher not required, the net sits in one flush mount, and the other rod sits in the oposite flush mount, just behind the seat. I opted for a forward facing flush mount just in front of me to hold the rod while rigging, and this can also be used to store a rod while paddling.
Re: tackle, I wear a fly fishing vest with heaps of pockets to store tackle and tools etc, and have installed a screw in hatch in the centre of the cockpit in which I put a couple of small tackle boxes with lures in. Most of my fishing is flat water, but I expect you could fit all the gear you want in the space down there. I sometimes carry my camera, a bottle of water and snacks down there too.
 

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Richo your advice regarding the welding is reassuring. Noticed you have an espri too, they're well rated here and are well priced. Which one of your yaks do you find is the most enjoyable for fishing?
Peter of the two boats I have I use the swing exclusively being bigger and more comfortable and ahead of the espri in all departments, and my wife and friends use the espri.

Of both my boats though, I regard the espri as better value for money as an all rounder, and I would rate as being within about 90% of the swing performance in general.

By the way I have fished alongside YakAtak and Gunston [TW model with rear well] scupper pros and they are great boats on the water
 

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G day tuco, welcome along. I love a big canoe, feel free to chat about her exploits here aswell. Re the yaks, I guess the Swing and Scupper Pro were the best of the available fishing floaters about 4 years ago, but there's a lot more options on the market now as the whole shebang grows. Both are still great options, especially if ya going in with a light wallet. Re the welding, my Swing was welded at the scuppers within the first few weeks of purchase after I noticed more light shining through in a small slither. At the time I was told it was a problem in colour pigmentation settling when it was made, but not something that affected the integrity of the hull. The scuppers were welded regardless (probably cause I was wearing my angry look), and after the job was done I poked and prodded the area and kept an eye on it. Since then I've had absolutley no issues with the scuppers, and it's done a heap of trips. I'm 100% confident with em, and actually like the idea they've been reinforced for my butt. Other areas to run an eye over for a second hand yak would be where extra's are fitted (if any), for example where foot pegs are screwed in or where hatches seal (rear hatches will make the job of fitting her out easier). Also check the hull over for any dents which may have been caused by heat stress (for instance if it's been on top of a car's roofracks tied down too tight in the sun or stored incorrectly). It's likely ya not looking at a ruddered version, but if ya are then have a butchers it moves freely and isn't bent outta shape. You can also check for leaks around the scuppers by putting the hose inside a hatch and putting maybe an inch of water in there. You'll probably find stuff wrong with an ex rental, but apart from crap scuppers (which I wouldn't touch) the rest of the defects may not be reason enough not to buy...but should give ya a clear conscience about what ya getting. It'll also give ya something to bargain with. Good luck with it. :wink: :D
 
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Welcome to the forum Peter :)

I cant offer much advice about the scuppers, don't really have any experience with plastic welding......I understand its a reasonably simple process and any number of people in your local area should be able to make repairs with the right raw materials.

But if the yak is in reasonable condition, and the plastic welds look nice and solid, for $400 to get yourself into a Swing, which is a great yak.......your doing well I reckon 8)
 

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Well guys I can't thank you all enough for taking the time to help out.

I probably made a rash decision but it was so awesome out on manly harbour today when testing that i couldn't resist, so handed over the dough for the Scupper Pro TW (tank well/dive)! He chucked in a reasonable looking paddle as well (218mm, fibro, feels a little heavy). All things considered (has a dent in hull Poddy) i feel that it's a good deal and i'm stoked.

She has the usual scratches and gouges but is in pretty good nick. I'm away for a week, but i'll be grabbing the tools as soon as i get back and will post some piccies when done for those interested.

Will catch some of you out on the water soon!!!

BTW final price was $750 with the rudder kit - missing rope and some stainless screws. I will remove it and sus out if its needed.

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Peter :D :D :D
 

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BTW final price was $750 with the rudder kit - missing rope and some stainless screws. I will remove it and sus out if its needed.
Peter sounds a good buy, thats the same as the Gunston and others here use and they are great yaks.
 

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On the water and fishing Pete...let's see the reels rattle and hum. Congrats :wink: :D
 
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