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Hi All.

Well 2007 is only a couple of weeks away, and as mentioned a few weeks ago I'd like to keep the fishing comp going, but 'tweak' it a bit to encourage more entries and to allow as many AKFF'ers as possible to participate. (of course if the weather decides to cooperate that would be good too!)

So, based on feedback that I've receive from everyone, I've come up with the following format for 2007. If there's any other ideas / thoughts / suggestions / complaints, then speak up now!!

OK, here it is.

Monthly comp period to run from First Saturday of the Month till Second Sunday of the month. This includes 2 full weekends and one 5 day midweek period, a total of 8 days.

Each angler is encouraged to submit as many fish as they like, however only their BEST 2 fish will be considered for points (the angler should nominate which 2 fish he wants included)

ALL yakkers will receive points, even if they do not catch fish. All fish submitted will receive points (up to a maximum of 2 fish per person) and those who do not catch fish will still receive 'participation' points.

Point system will operate as follows (thanks Dodge!)
1st - 100 points
2nd - 90 points
3rd - 80 points
4th - 70 points
5th - 60 points
6th - 50 points
All other fish submitted - 30 points
Yakkers that participated but did not catch fish - 15 points

Fish submitted for points must be documented in a photo against anything that shows actual length. This may be brag mat, alvey ruler, sewing tape or fisheries sticker etc. LARGE fish may be excluded from this procedure if the angler feels that it may harm the fish in any way, however a photo of the fish and 'approximate' size/weight should be submitted. (This is in response to Funda's concerns over his cod, and also guys such as the NZ crew who weigh their snapper but don't always measure them). Again, this should only apply to LARGE, HEAVY or BITEY :shock: fish.

I'd like your opinions on how we go about awarding participation points for yakkers that have got out there but not caught fish. Do these yakkers just add their mane to the monthly comp thread or should we ask for photographic evidence that they 'got out there' (such as a pic taken from the yak or of their yak at waters edge). I would prefer this option, as we would expect that anyone wanting to enter the comp would be carrying their camera anyway?? Thoughts?

State versus State will continue, but points will be awarded to the NUMBER of PARTICIPANTS per state (previously it was the total length of all fish caught per state). So even if you don't catch anything, you can still get out there and chalk up points for your state. (To keep this fair a handicap system will be worked out depending on how many members we have per state - eg WA only has a handful of members so they will receive a higher handicap than say Qld or NSW). Again thoughts on this issue would be good.

I will now also ensure that all fish entered are automatically submitted to the mods for inclusion in the Hall of Fame (if they meet the criteria). In the past Scott (mod) has been too busy to update this, so i'll be assisting him here.

Theme months will be introduced from time to time. eg 'Soft Plastics only" or "Bait only" to encourage different ways of fishing. Suggestions will be taken on board here, as obviously some waters do not allow certain styles of fishing.

Monthly E-Certificate will be sent to winner. We expect that the winner will then post a shot of his ugly mug alongside the certificate. Well if he's going to have bragging rights for the month, then we've gotta have something to bag him out about, don't we!

usual comp rules also apply, eg Fish must be caught from yak, only legal length fish can be entered etc etc

Can everyone give me their thoughts on the above? Does this sound OK?
 

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Looks good Dave - good work running the comp, you do a great job.

One gripe - since the comp started i've been only able to fish one of them due to work. Now I finally managed to get a big trip planned in the New Year to a spot that will produce some decent fish AND it coincides with the first week of the comp and you go and change the bloody days it runs over!!! I think its a conspiracy as my yak fishing skills are reknowned far and wide and you just don't want me to win :roll: :wink: :lol: :lol:
 

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Sounds awesome Dave - I'll be in for sure.

Is it going to be a simple matter of who caught the biggest? Or will there be some sort of pro-rata species calculation (ie. a 50cm Bream is more brag worthy than a 51cm Kingie and it would be a shame to think that the person landing the Bream would not win that one). Perhaps this is making it too complicated, but one idea might be to allocate points on a "percentage above legal size" system. For example, a legal Bream might be worth 5 points; a 50cm Bream is twice legal size (200%) so could be worth 10 points and so on...

The theme months sound great...perhaps as a variation on the theme idea you could consider months where certain "specialist" or "difficult" species get double points (eg. Luderick, Mulloway)?

In relation to verification of participation only points - why not require the yaker to submit a post trip report in the report section?

Just a suggestion
 

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good point deano. yes mate, species get factored into the mix when allocating points. eg i think in recent months smallish (low 30's) Bass have gotten more points than much larger flathead etc.
I don't always get it right, but try my best 8)
 

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Sounds bloomin great Davey G ... and i like the fact i can still get points for not catching a fish but having still got on the water.
I might be able to win this comp YET. 8)

p.s. this does mean i gotta go out and get another Digital Camera (waterproof 1 this time :oops: )
 

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Davey G,

Love your work.

Your addition however :?

2 weekends = 4 days + 5 weekdays = 9 days :p

Looking forwards to getting some points on the board in the new year.
After this however I may be penalised :roll:

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sounds great to me - like the eyeballing approach to which fish is worth more than 50% above legal example. As an example with the kingie limit in nz being 75 cm I would have to catch a 1.5m king fish to match a 50cm bream :shock: Plus it means that the judges can be bribed if we keep it to bets judge type.

bring it on
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I think the fish species/size issue is one that needs to be assessed qualitatively rather than quantitatively - there's too many factors to assess plus it would just turn into too much work. Larger varieties of the same fish are more prevalent in some states than others, certain species get fatter rather than longer after time, wild verse impoundment species etc

It's all too much work for numbers to do a fair job of it - I trust Dave's judgment, he's done a good job so far.
 

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I trust Dave's judgment, he's done a good job so far.
Agree Dave has been a fair referee and leave as it stands.

Dave a thought on the state numbers imbalance...maybe divide the number of entrants from any state into their aggregate score each month to get the state totals.

That way a state fielding 12 entrants is on an even playing field with another only having 3 entrants; this relies on the integrity of non weighing members putting forward their names as having competed, because it would affect the division of points, I am inclined to believe that members would do the correct thing
 

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Looks great. Bring on 2007.

Yakabe.
 

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Dodge said:
I trust Dave's judgment, he's done a good job so far.
Agree Dave has been a fair referee and leave as it stands.

Dave a thought on the state numbers imbalance...maybe divide the number of entrants from any state into their aggregate score each month to get the state totals.

That way a state fielding 12 entrants is on an even playing field with another only having 3 entrants; this relies on the integrity of non weighing members putting forward their names as having competed, because it would affect the division of points, I am inclined to believe that members would do the correct thing
 

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Sounds good guys & well done Dave... Ill try and not sound too selFISH,

In the A.C.T we only really have a few species available to pull on a yak, these include Carp, Redfin, Murray Cod & Yellowbelly.
Due to the abundance of Redfin most of my entries would include these and this only, as points would be indicated on a 2 fish per entry would it be safe to say a ledger of general fish species size be made to ensure equal scoring against other fish from saltwater and freshwater alike?

We dont have a legal size limit on Redfin so apart from averages mentioned on the internet will we have a fighting chance against more sought fish like Bream, Bass, Kingfish & Snapper? ( Will a 80cm Carp beat a 70cm Kingfish? NEVER! lol )

All things mentioned here have been mentioned above and in the previous post, dont get me wrong im quite happy to try and catch above average Redfin on a monthly basis to enter into the comp but it may really only be of an advantage to me in our 'State to state' rivalry.

Hope this helps, what do you think?
 

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YakAtak said:
Dodge said:
I trust Dave's judgment, he's done a good job so far.
Agree Dave has been a fair referee and leave as it stands.

Dave a thought on the state numbers imbalance...maybe divide the number of entrants from any state into their aggregate score each month to get the state totals.

That way a state fielding 12 entrants is on an even playing field with another only having 3 entrants; this relies on the integrity of non weighing members putting forward their names as having competed, because it would affect the division of points, I am inclined to believe that members would do the correct thing
If this is the case the only yak fisher in NZ is Nubee :lol: That buger seems to clean up all the time. 8)
 

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well done Dave, good set up. I really like the idea of the extra weekend.

Look forward to getting amongst it in '07.

Cheers

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paffoh said:
Sounds good guys & well done Dave... Ill try and not sound too selFISH,

In the A.C.T we only really have a few species available to pull on a yak, these include Carp, Redfin, Murray Cod & Yellowbelly.
Due to the abundance of Redfin most of my entries would include these and this only, as points would be indicated on a 2 fish per entry would it be safe to say a ledger of general fish species size be made to ensure equal scoring against other fish from saltwater and freshwater alike?

We dont have a legal size limit on Redfin so apart from averages mentioned on the internet will we have a fighting chance against more sought fish like Bream, Bass, Kingfish & Snapper? ( Will a 80cm Carp beat a 70cm Kingfish? NEVER! lol )

All things mentioned here have been mentioned above and in the previous post, dont get me wrong im quite happy to try and catch above average Redfin on a monthly basis to enter into the comp but it may really only be of an advantage to me in our 'State to state' rivalry.

Hope this helps, what do you think?
paffoh, you could always do a trip across to the coast for some offshore/estuary action coinciding with comp weekend!! its a good excuse for aweekend away anyway!

this is always going to happen no matter where everyone is located. I would say that the QLD and Far Nth Coast NSW guys have an immediate advantage as they have access to much bigger fish on a more regular basis (mackeral, cobia, tuna, kingfish, snapper, marlin!) along with their estuary species (fingermark, mangrove jacks and also the bread and butter species such as flatties and bream). THe NZ north island guys have some awesome Snapper grounds and also Kahawai and Kingfish are a regular catch throughout the year. Guys fishing in other areas will have a much more limited range to catch. Unfortunately this is the 'way it is' and I can't do much about it (same as I can't control the weather,,, sorry! :oops: )

Conditions, locations etc will all be taken into account when judging the winners, but at the end of the day, all we are trying to do is have a bit of fun 8) 8)

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Davey G said:
Conditions, locations etc will all be taken into account when judging the winners, but at the end of the day, all we are trying to do is have a bit of fun 8) 8)

Cheers
i reckon thats spot on.

the "percentage over legal" idea sound appealing, and you could bring carp and redfin in by using a sportsfishing method, like fish weight versus line class or something if you needed to scale/rate different catches
 
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Dodge said:
I trust Dave's judgment, he's done a good job so far.
Agree Dave has been a fair referee and leave as it stands.

Dave a thought on the state numbers imbalance...maybe divide the number of entrants from any state into their aggregate score each month to get the state totals.

That way a state fielding 12 entrants is on an even playing field with another only having 3 entrants; this relies on the integrity of non weighing members putting forward their names as having competed, because it would affect the division of points, I am inclined to believe that members would do the correct thing
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