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Light spinning rod build.

Postby Shuggy22 » Fri Apr 19, 2013 2:17 pm

Hey all you avid rod makers,

looking at starting my first rod build, have been talking with Nick (anselmo)
for a little bit about what he would recommend and his help
thus far has been phenomenal! thank you Nick!

So basically Im after a 2pc 6"6' - 7" spinning rod bout
2-4kg for a bit of a light all round estuary rod
there are several I have found on mudhole one I kinda
really like is the white blank
http://www.mudhole.com/Rod-Building/MHX ... -Rod-Blank
or do you thinks its a bit too flash to start off on?

so Im currently thinking white blank, plain black or clear wraps on the guides,
split butt black EVA grips and matching winding check colour to guides colour (silver probly)

Have read the rod builders tip posts but just wondering if there is anything
else anybody wants to share??

also what sort of drying lathe setups you use?

and hand wrapping lathe setup you use?
how much tension needs to be
on the wrapping when applying?

also is the paste epoxy you buy on mudhole different in any way to the
two part epoxies you can buy at you local hardware?

thanks guys appreciate any feedback!

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Re: Light spinning rod build.

Postby anselmo » Fri Apr 19, 2013 6:22 pm

Shuggy22 wrote:Hey all you avid rod makers,

looking at starting my first rod build, have been talking with Nick (anselmo)
for a little bit about what he would recommend and his help
thus far has been phenomenal! thank you Nick!


De nada
I owe you a PM still as well - or I can stick what I was going to say here if you want?

Shuggy22 wrote:So basically Im after a 2pc 6"6' - 7" spinning rod bout
2-4kg for a bit of a light all round estuary rod
there are several I have found on mudhole one I kinda
really like is the white blank
http://www.mudhole.com/Rod-Building/MHX ... -Rod-Blank
or do you thinks its a bit too flash to start off on?


only you can say if its too flash ;-)

Shuggy22 wrote:so Im currently thinking white blank, plain black or clear wraps on the guides,
split butt black EVA grips and matching winding check colour to guides colour (silver probly)

Have read the rod builders tip posts but just wondering if there is anything
else anybody wants to share??

also what sort of drying lathe setups you use?

and hand wrapping lathe setup you use?
how much tension needs to be
on the wrapping when applying?


the rule of thumb is - just enough tension to hold the wraps tight
too tight and the epoxy stuggles to soak in fully
also remember that the thread tightens when the epoxy is applied
this is one of the reasons its very important to burnish and pack your wraps

Shuggy22 wrote:also is the paste epoxy you buy on mudhole different in any way to the
two part epoxies you can buy at you local hardware?


yes
it remains flexible when cured, it doesn't shrink when curing so retains its space filling properties, and as it's a paste rather than a liquid its able to be more precisely placed initially and subsequently cleaned up
araldite and similar are good (in their 24 hour versions), but the paste epoxies are designed for rodmaking and so I would recommend them

Shuggy22 wrote:thanks guys appreciate any feedback!

Hugh
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Re: Light spinning rod build.

Postby Shuggy22 » Sat Apr 20, 2013 9:00 am

Thanks again Nick,
haha PM or on here's all good :D

So not super tight with the thread just taught, good good.
So do you think its worth getting something like one of these?

http://www.mudhole.com/Rod-Building/Han ... od-Wrapper

http://www.mudhole.com/Rod-Building/Oth ... -Tensioner

or this

http://www.mudhole.com/Rod-Building/Han ... nd-Wrapper

or would a few eye bolts into the bench and some home made V cradles surfice
as far as keeping constant tension goes?


In regards to the guides what would people recommend??
Would you buy a guide set or individually?

Im sure Ill have more questions

Thanks
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Re: Light spinning rod build.

Postby Couta101 » Sat Apr 20, 2013 12:15 pm

For a light spin I would go with the American tackle microwave guides. They are great value and you can cast a country mile. They give you setup distances and only needs a few tweaks to be spot on. For a first build you want things to go smooth not have to spend hours trying to understand the maths of guide setup. See the video on microwave guides as well. You'll be surprised.
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Re: Light spinning rod build.

Postby anselmo » Sun Apr 21, 2013 9:43 pm

Hi Hugh apologies for the delay

Microwave guides have not had long term testing and do not come in a saltwater friendly frame
FWIW I think the Fuji new concept is superior and less delicate
The consensus also seems to be that they only add value if you're moving from a poor system initially
The lack of adaptability in spacings, having to buy a full set of guides (cost), extra weight and little or no proven advantage means I view these as faddish at best
Tom Kirkland himself says that a well spaced new concept will do the same

I promised some blank recommendations

St croix. Most would say stick at SCII for a yak rod, SCIII at most
I say buy the best and then look after it, you won't regret the quality differential

St croix model guidelines
1st number grade ie 2 is SCII, 3 is SCIII etc
Then a letter denoting S spin or C casting
Then 2 or Three digits which denotes to height in feet e.g. 70 equals 7'0"
Then the next digits note rod weight as in light medium or heavy and the rod action usually moderate fast or extra fast
Finally there is sometimes an extra number at the end which divides the number of pieces e.g. 2 denotes two-piece

Eg one I would recommend for you is 3S66ULF2
Others are 5S70ULM2-G
3S70ULM2
2S70ULF2 This is probably the best one based on the specs you have given

If you want to try something a bit different though try some of the T-Russell blanks from the Matagi catalogue

If this is to be a purely targeting bream rod then I would try a
TR69 Super Ajax, or
TR69 super rozy Figaro

If you're not confident about ultra fine solid carbon tips (try to be this is where the cutting edge and exceptional performance rods are now, and where they will be heading - you heard it here first)

Try a TR80 super mebaru L-PTO

Look them up and let me know what you think
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Re: Light spinning rod build.

Postby Shuggy22 » Tue Apr 23, 2013 6:22 am

All good about the late reply Nick

Had a look at those blanks and Matagi, very interesting
and well within the parameters as far as specs go, a little more expensive
but if your confident I wont stuff it then Im confident.
how much roughly do you think it will
cost to ship all the bits and pieces for a single rod?

The 2S70ULF2 Looks like a great rod and if they are quality for you they will
be future space age for me!

Will the super fine solid tips be able to handle something a bit heavier
if it decides to grab the line?

Sorry would write more but have to leave for work aaarrgghh! :(

Thanks again!
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