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Today there are a lot of lands being use by aboriginal owners with tourism or leased by them for mining etc and improves the social and economic status of their people. It's a good thing.
Junglefisher wrote:Unfortunately now, I think most of the claims are based on getting the maximum cash out of the claim.
Junglefisher wrote:Oh please. I'm getting really sick of this idea that the miners did nothing to get where they are today. It just fell in their lap eh?
Here's an interesting map : http://www.nntt.gov.au/Mediation-and-ag ... TC_map.pdf
That's almost the entire WA coastline and Adelaide, Perth and Brisbane under potential claim. I'm sure you won't care about that though Occy, it's not your backyard.
liam8227 wrote:I find this a very interesting topic. Most human migrations that were successful in antiquity resulted in the natives being enslaved or killed off. Reading Polybius account of the sack of Numantia where even the animals were killed certainly tempers my perception of Roman expansion. Conversely glimpses of Celtic expansion can be gleaned by through Caesar, the Helvetii and their tragic destruction. Earlier the Cimbri and Teutones. In the late empire the mass migrations of the Germanic peoples unsettled by eastern European migrations. The middle ages are less mobile in the west, however the Arab conquests and the rise of Islam included a hell of a lot of migration. Later again the European expansion into the Americas involved enslavement and extermination.
A lot of summarising however it illustrates a point not well realised by most people. Human migration is dreadfully traumatic. The average layman has very little idea of what the settlement of Australia actually entailed. The distances travelled, the wealth invested. The precarious nature of the early settlements. A hell of a lot of new revisionist histories have been published on our treatment of Aboriginal peoples. In light of other human migrations the early history of Australia did not have the temper of say the US expansion into Indian territory. Or the the treatment of Indian peoples on the subcontinent. It was hardly a process where the aborigines did not suffer and in some places suffer terribly however there was no large scale organised mass killings sponsored by the state. The Archaeological record as well as historical records do not support it. Do not mistake me, there were killings. On both sides, however you will be very hard pressed to find a pit with several thousand skeletons of people killed by mechanical process.
My perspective is perhaps different to others for two fold reasons. A central tenet of historical study is to remove personal bias and modern morals from the subject matter. I find killing for sport repellent but would not condemn the Romans for doing so. The accepted moral standard of the day is how to interpret a persons actions, not applying modern morals to an ancient act. This becomes more difficult as the events become closer to ones own lifetime. Secondly in my work life I have very few positive interactions with Aboriginal peoples. My personal interactions are fewer than those in regional areas however there is the "corporate knowledge" gleaned from time in service.
Its through these filters that I view Native Title. In itself I find it rather absurd that a Nation would spend so much wealth, relinquish good land in the name of (albeit recent in historical terms) a past wrong. Recognition of wrong is usually not a strong point in any government. The application of native title is not a bad thing. Especially where applied fairly to all inhabitants.
The problem as I see it with this subject matter is largely the attitude of Australians. On the one hand the lefties find it appealing (and fashionable) to champion Aborigines. The conservatives are threatened by everything. Native title would never be allowed to cover our population centres. The whole nation isn't going to be handed back. Yet the lefties who bang on about Aborigines being here first etc etc are very rarely ever seen out in the communities where they are needed. As Con rightly points out Aboriginal politics has largely degenerated into cronyism. Jobs for Aborigines. Tokenism at official moments (we thank the traditional owners etc etc before sporting matches). With any deviation from the orthodoxy instantly labeled as racist. Lastly the attitude of Aborigines themselves needs to change. Recent actions in Canberra and Brisbane do not advance their cause. Far from it, educated intelligent Aborigines exist. I will listen to them, not the morons rioting.
Mabo was a triumph of the day. As far as modern politics are concerned it is a turning point for Australia. It certainly redefined how our legislators view Aborigines. How Native Title will play out in the future I do not see it being successful in a hell of a lot of places. Like many legal things it is open to challenge. By favouring Aborigines it does discriminate against the rest of us by its nature, whether that will ever be addressed/redressed however one looks at it remains to be seen.
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