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Whippella test - Phase 1

Postby spooled1 » Fri Apr 03, 2009 7:16 pm

Took delivery of the test unit yesterday. For those that don't know what this is, the Whippella is a propeller attachment that fits onto virtually every straight shaft whipper snipper. (Models may also be available for bent shafts). As we all know, many whipper snipper type products are petrol driven.

This post is not about the ethics of using a petrol driven motor on a kayak - It is about integrating a kayak related product for use on a kayak, and seeing how and if it could be used in a functional manner. If you have ethical issues about petrol powered yaks, don't bother posting.

Now that the formalities are out the way here's how it works:

You basically remove the complete trimming head unit off the whipper snipper until you are left with the main shaft with a greasy rod in the middle of it. On the end of this greasy inner rod there will be a shape machined into it, maybe a square, a rounded rectangle, a hex or maybe a star shape or something else. The whippela comes with a bunch of brass fittings. All you do is match the fitting to the inner rod.

When you know which brass fitting you need, you screw the fitting into the prop unit. There's only one place this goes so you seriously cannot stuff up. There are only 2 things left to do and all the bits come in the box:

Find the black rubber seal that best fits the inner rod then locate the small white housing that houses the seal and slides inbetween the inner rod and the shaft. To finish off the prop, locate the big white sleeve that creates the best fit between the prop and the main shaft. Slide it up the shaft, attach the prop, slide down the sleeve and lock off the prop. You now have a fully functioning propellor on your grass trimmer.

For me it took a couple of goes lining up all the business then bingo. For a first timer it is a pretty easy job. You just got to think about it and play around for a bit. When you've done it once you could almost do it blindfolded.

Once the assembly was done I played around with the supplied clamp and mount to see how it would work. When testing out all new yak stuff, I try my best to avoid creating new holes and make the most of existing fixtures and deck hardware wherever possible. For this test, I used the Scupper Pro. I also like to use crap that is lying around the house, I avoid using professional tools and basically like to keep things as basic as humanly possible without needing to buy stuff.

After a bit of muddling, I had a brainwave and whittled and rounded the lower edges of a piece of 2 x 2 hardwood with a kitchen knife to fit in an existing rear flushmount rod holder. On the square end I clamped the mount. Because the mount is multi directional, I have a feeling it will work without any more stuffing around. From there I attached the whipper snipper square on the centre of gravity on the mount. I removed the throttle from the handle and fashioned a small bit of timber to act as a remote throttle that I control with my left hand in my lap while steering the thing with my right hand.

Because the unit is mounted at the side of the yak, I reckon I have about a 20 degree turning circle to the right and maybe 60 degrees to the left. We'll see when I test it out tomorrow.

To this point, motorising my yak with a Whippella has been 100 times easier than mounting and fitting the electric.
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Re: Whippella test - Phase 1

Postby Cuda » Fri Apr 03, 2009 7:30 pm

Looks pretty radical Spooled :D I reckon it would be a bit hit in Asia where they have those longboats with a similar setup :shock:
How would it go with twin Whipellas - one either side - you would be flying I reckon :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Whippella test - Phase 1

Postby murd » Fri Apr 03, 2009 7:39 pm

I was thinking of trying one of those 'leaf blower' contraptions from Bunnings. Surely there's enough 'blow' to create forward movement with the thing pointed out the back?

Has anyone ever given this a go on the yak?
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Re: Whippella test - Phase 1

Postby cummins » Fri Apr 03, 2009 7:43 pm

thats heap's good is it possible to have a close up on the pherpealer


maby 2 whold work nice as one may drift
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Re: Whippella test - Phase 1

Postby spooled1 » Fri Apr 03, 2009 8:26 pm

Before hitting the water I've got a couple of concerns but in the testing I will be figuring out ways, if any, a system like this may prove useful for fishing. Without even taking it on the water I am already confident that this system could be really practical on a canoe or small inflatable dinghy or tender with a stern seat. I'm saying this because on these vessels you sit higher above the motor and have an ability to stern mount the unit for wider steering.

On a yak we sit close to the waterline so there's an immersion issue to consider as well. Especially when the unit isn't running. I'm also pretty worried about the fumes because I'm almost certain they'll be blowing straight in my face as I move forward. This is because the motor is in front of me.

If anyone has any ideas on how to divert the fumes, I'm keen to hear them. Anyway, I won't get ahead of myself. These are just hunches based on the mounting position on my yak.
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Re: Whippella test - Phase 1

Postby Junglefisher » Fri Apr 03, 2009 8:57 pm

I think the best way to avoid the fumes would be to ensure the exhaust is pointed outboard not inboard. Most whipper snippers the exhaust comes out the back and points downward. Would not be 100%, but would help a lot. Apart from that, with a 2stroke there's not many mods you can make without affecting the running of the motor.
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Re: Whippella test - Phase 1

Postby Sunhobie » Sat Apr 04, 2009 5:39 am

spooled1 wrote:
If anyone has any ideas on how to divert the fumes, I'm keen to hear them. Anyway, I won't get ahead of myself. These are just hunches based on the mounting position on my yak.


Perhaps a petrol powered leaf blower running in reverse, mounted on top of the whipper snipper powerhead?
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Re: Whippella test - Phase 1

Postby StevenM » Sat Apr 04, 2009 5:58 am

Sunhobie wrote:
spooled1 wrote:
If anyone has any ideas on how to divert the fumes, I'm keen to hear them. Anyway, I won't get ahead of myself. These are just hunches based on the mounting position on my yak.


Perhaps a petrol powered leaf blower running in reverse, mounted on top of the whipper snipper powerhead?


Not a bad idea Mal. Probably bit overly loud now and over balance the kayak. My thoughts is get a Solar system going on the front of the yak, hooked too a few ( maybe 8 ) 7 amp hour batteries. Hook up one of those 12 to 240 volt inverter. Then plug a pedestal fan in and blow away the fumes.

Would serve a dual purpose with the primary to divert the fumes and secondary as propulsion as you would have half a mini hovercraft situation going.
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Re: Whippella test - Phase 1

Postby swivels » Sat Apr 04, 2009 6:15 am

murd wrote:I was thinking of trying one of those 'leaf blower' contraptions from Bunnings. Surely there's enough 'blow' to create forward movement with the thing pointed out the back?

Has anyone ever given this a go on the yak?

JET YAK? lol hmmm :D
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Re: Whippella test - Phase 1

Postby Duane » Sat Apr 04, 2009 7:14 am

jono78 wrote:
murd wrote:I was thinking of trying one of those 'leaf blower' contraptions from Bunnings. Surely there's enough 'blow' to create forward movement with the thing pointed out the back?

Has anyone ever given this a go on the yak?

JET YAK? lol hmmm :D



Mythbusters tried making hovercrafts out of several leaf blowers, and while they worked to a point, it was never a fast ride.
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Re: Whippella test - Phase 1

Postby pwr62 » Sat Apr 04, 2009 8:04 am

Yeah i have an idea!
Take it off, couldnt think of much worse than the noise and fumes of a wipper snipper running in my face.
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Re: Whippella test - Phase 1

Postby mcbigg » Sat Apr 04, 2009 8:46 am

Found this on youtube:


May give you some idea of what to expect, performance-wise.
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Re: Whippella test - Phase 1

Postby spooled1 » Sat Apr 04, 2009 10:53 am

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Re: Whippella test - Phase 1

Postby onemorecast » Sat Apr 04, 2009 12:21 pm

I think I saw Coyote use that once trying to catch Roadruner :)

(that coyote's really a crazy clown)
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Re: Whippella test - Phase 1

Postby grinner » Sat Apr 04, 2009 12:27 pm

spooled i have found with small outboards and with chainsaws the addition of a bit of avgas improves performace and starting,.also good quality 2 stroke oils
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